Legislature(2001 - 2002)

01/30/2002 08:04 AM House EDU

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HB 312-SUPPLEMENTARY PUBLIC SCHOOL FUNDING                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE announced the first  order of business would be HOUSE                                                               
BILL NO. 312,  "An Act relating to the delay  of the reduction of                                                               
supplementary  public  school  funding;   and  providing  for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0183                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RANDY RUARO, Staff to Representative  William K. "Bill" Williams,                                                               
Alaska  State Legislature,  presented  HB 312  on  behalf of  its                                                               
sponsor,  Representative Williams.   He  distributed a  letter of                                                               
support for  HB 312 from  the Dillingham [City  School District].                                                               
This legislation, he pointed out,  suspends the erosion effect of                                                               
the supplemental  funding floor that  was established as  part of                                                               
SB  36 in  the 20th  legislature.   This suspension  would be  in                                                               
effect for FY 03 only, pending  a study of areawide district cost                                                               
factors.    This  study,  he   offered,  would  be  available  to                                                               
legislators when determining school funding for FY 04.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0329                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUARO said HB 312  primarily benefits rural school districts.                                                               
He  referred  to U.S.  Senator  Stevens'  recent address  to  the                                                               
legislature in  which Senator Stevens  expressed his  belief that                                                               
"there are entire  school districts in the rural  areas where not                                                               
one student  can pass  the high school  graduation exam."   These                                                               
additional  funds,   provided  in  HB  312,   will  assist  rural                                                               
districts  in hiring  and retaining  quality teachers,  he added.                                                               
Mr. Ruaro also noted that  Senator Stevens mentioned that funding                                                               
education  is  an  investment;  a  dollar  [spent]  in  education                                                               
[today] can  save more than  a dollar later in  incarceration and                                                               
other services which  need not be provided.   "Accountability for                                                               
school  districts," Mr.  Ruaro  said,  "is on  the  way with  the                                                               
federal  legislation that  requires testing  in Alaska's  pending                                                               
high school  exit exam."   Districts receiving HB 312  funds will                                                               
not be able  to "point to the  erosion of the funding  floor as a                                                               
reason for not having a good performance," he concluded.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0443                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  questioned how  an  additional  $20,000 to  $30,000                                                               
allocated  to individual  districts would  assist them  in hiring                                                               
teachers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUARO responded  that each district would  determine how this                                                               
money would be  spent; for example, if a district  was $10,000 or                                                               
$15,000 short of hiring an  additional teacher, these funds would                                                               
allow that hire and "maybe some other things."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0495                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  requested  proof  that  "more  money  will  improve                                                               
education" or  increase the number  of students passing  the exit                                                               
exam.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUARO  replied that he  wasn't familiar with  statistics that                                                               
would answer Chair Bunde's request.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0620                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GARY WILKEN  testified  in  opposition to  HB  312.   He                                                               
offered that he  thought SB 36 was "some of  the best legislation                                                               
that  I've seen  in  my  five years  here";  the legislature  and                                                               
governor should  be proud of  the work done on  it.  In  spite of                                                               
[some  negative  responses],  it  has proven,  he  noted,  to  be                                                               
"better than  what we had."   He  remarked, "The bill  before you                                                               
today is ...  a repudiation of those efforts."   He added that if                                                               
committee members  accepted this bill, they  would be [affirming]                                                               
that the  old formula is  better than the new  [funding formula].                                                               
"I am  here to  defend the new  formula," he said.   This  is the                                                               
first  committee  referral, and  he  stated  that he  thought  it                                                               
"important [to] lay a record ... for  the path of this bill as it                                                               
winds its way through the legislature."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0697                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  stated that  in 1985  the legislature  was "under                                                               
pressure from school districts" to  create a new funding formula.                                                               
A California  company was slated  to do a "resource  cost model,"                                                               
which  "didn't come  to pass,"  he added.   A  "one-year, stopgap                                                               
scheme" was passed, he recounted.   Also in 1985, the legislature                                                               
conducted  a McDowell  [Group] cost-of-living  survey.   The  old                                                               
funding  formula  was based  on  that  survey.   The  survey,  he                                                               
pointed out, was  based on household costs -  "essentially a loaf                                                               
of  bread,"  and  was  conducted   in  only  19  of  40  election                                                               
districts.   In  1986  the legislature  was  under pressure  from                                                               
school  districts  and  the federal  government  to  address  the                                                               
education [funding]  formula.   Senate Bill 408  was passed  as a                                                               
"stopgap measure."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0777                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN  said, "In  1987  things  really  got hot."    He                                                               
reported  that the  federal government  fined Alaska  $11 million                                                               
because  of a  "flawed formula."   Governor  Cowper responded  by                                                               
suggesting  "what amounted  to the  instructional unit  formula,"                                                               
said Senator Wilken.   That legislation was the  inception of the                                                               
old formula's funding  of public schools, which  was addressed in                                                               
1997 by the  legislature.  The old formula created  the four mill                                                               
[tax   levy]   contribution   and   the   "concept   of   funding                                                               
communities."   He noted that the  old formula went to  the House                                                               
Finance Committee  where 29 cost  differentials were  adjusted at                                                               
the  table.   "In my  opinion," he  said, "they  took ...  flawed                                                               
data,  ...  the  1985  cost-of-living survey,  that  didn't  even                                                               
survey half  the state, and  then adjusted  it as they  wished at                                                               
the House  Finance [Committee]  table."   He suggested  that this                                                               
created a  situation in which  school districts were  asking, "If                                                               
the ... increase in the rate  of funding has doubled the increase                                                               
in the rate of students, where's the money?"                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0890                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN referred  to the  January  1996 Alaska  Education                                                               
Survey conducted by the governor.   He highlighted three findings                                                               
of the survey.  He first  noted a question which reads, "If state                                                               
funding  of education  was increased  significantly tomorrow,  do                                                               
you think the quality of  education in the state would increase?"                                                               
He said,  "The answer  came back  two to  one, 'No.'"  Second, he                                                               
pointed out that 81 percent  of people surveyed believed that the                                                               
funding mechanism  should be simplified.   And third,  73 percent                                                               
believed that funding  should be based on an  amount per student,                                                               
he cited.   He stated that  the governor said in  the survey that                                                               
the  school   funding  formula  was   a  "convoluted   method  of                                                               
calculations,   exclusions,   exemptions,   and   differentials."                                                               
Senator Wilken went  on to note that this survey  was "the source                                                               
of SB  85, the governor's  bill to fix the  foundation [formula];                                                               
subsequently, ...  parts of that  were rolled into SB  146, parts                                                               
of that were  then rolled into SB  36, and in March  of 1998, the                                                               
Senate passed to  the House SB 36."  He  indicated that there was                                                               
a two-year transition period [provided] in SB 36.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0967                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN   mentioned  that  Senator  Therriault   [then  a                                                               
Representative] "shepherded"  SB 36 through  the House.   He then                                                               
read excerpts  from "Think Transition  School Funding;  A Summary                                                               
of the  Supplementary Public School  Funding Floor,"  prepared by                                                               
his office.  The summary reads:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Historical Review                                                                                                          
     Why was a  new school funding formula  adopted in 1998?                                                                    
     Why  was  the   "supplementary  public  school  funding                                                                    
     floor"  added  to  the  school   funding  formula?    A                                                                    
     historical review helps answers these questions.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN omitted the remaining paragraph of the Historical                                                                
Review; he had already summarized its contents.  He continued to                                                                
read:                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     SB 36 Funding Formula                                                                                                      
     The new  Student Dollar K-12 funding  formula allocates                                                                    
     state general  fund dollars  to school  districts based                                                                    
     on the  number of  students enrolled,  with appropriate                                                                    
     consideration  and  adjustments  for the  size  of  the                                                                    
     school and its  location in Alaska.   The public school                                                                    
     funding formula  recognizes that differences  do indeed                                                                    
     exist  between our  large, urban  school districts  and                                                                    
     Alaska's  isolated  rural   districts  and  funds  them                                                                    
     accordingly.    For  example,   a  student  in  Pelican                                                                    
     receives more  than four times  the amount  per student                                                                    
     from the state than a youngster enrolled in Anchorage.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1083                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN continued to read:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     A Fair Transition                                                                                                          
     During the discussion of  implementing the new formula,                                                                    
     the legislature,  not wanting to negatively  impact any                                                                    
     school district,  wrestled with  how to  transition the                                                                    
     school districts from the old  formula to the new.  The                                                                    
     results of this effort  provided that no district would                                                                    
     lose  funding  under  the  new   formula  even  if  the                                                                    
     district  may  have   financially  benefited  from  the                                                                    
     loopholes in the prior funding plan.                                                                                       
     The Department of  Education calculated each district's                                                                    
     funding  entitlement   under  both  the  old   and  new                                                                    
     formula.   The  difference  between the  plans was  the                                                                    
     "supplementary  public  school  funding floor"  or  the                                                                    
     "transition  dollar  amount."   The  Transition  Dollar                                                                    
     supplements the school district's state support.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     100 Percent of Increase                                                                                                    
     If a  school district's  student enrollment  grows, the                                                                    
     district's state  aid is increased based  on the number                                                                    
     of students,  adjusted for  size and  location.   Or if                                                                    
     the Student Dollar is increased,  each student gets 100                                                                    
     percent of the added revenue.   In either instance, the                                                                    
     school  district  receives  100  percent  of  its  full                                                                    
     entitlement under  the education  funding formula.   In                                                                    
     addition  to this  full formula  funding, 32  districts                                                                  
     also receive an  additional supplementary funding floor                                                                    
     or  transition   dollar  amount.    Since   FY99,  this                                                                    
     transition amount has totaled over $59 million.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1113                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN  referred  to   a  graph  entitled  "LKSD  School                                                               
District  Funding FY  99 -  FY 02.  "   The graph  presents state                                                               
funding of the Lower Kuskokwim  School District's student dollars                                                               
and transition  dollars from  FY 99  to FY 02.   He  continued to                                                               
read from the summary, which states:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Gradual Reduction                                                                                                          
     However, in  order to  act as  a true  transition, this                                                                    
     dollar amount must be gradually  reduced.  Annually the                                                                    
     Department  of   Education  compares   each  district's                                                                    
     formula  funding  to the  previous  year.   Using  this                                                                    
     information,  the department  calculates the  amount of                                                                    
     additional state  support each  district receives  as a                                                                    
     transition   between  formulas.      For  many   school                                                                    
     districts,  this  transition   mechanism  will  provide                                                                    
     additional  state  funding  for  many  years  to  come,                                                                    
     ensuring  that  each  school   district  can  plan  and                                                                    
     provide  for an  excellent  education  program for  its                                                                    
     students.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1195                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN concluded the summary by reading:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Conclusion                                                                                                                 
     It  is important  to  remember  that the  supplementary                                                                    
     transition money is given to  school districts over and                                                                    
     above  what each  district receives  under the  current                                                                  
     funding  formula.    The reduction  to  the  Transition                                                                    
     Dollars has  been very  gradual.  In  spite of  what we                                                                    
     might have heard about draconian  cuts between FY99 and                                                                    
     FY02,  the total  transition dollar  amount distributed                                                                    
     to  school  districts  has been  reduced  by  just  8.7                                                                    
     percent.  This  added state support is  a very generous                                                                    
      and stable transition between two different funding                                                                       
     mechanisms and must be maintained.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  concluded by  stating that he  was opposed  to HB
312 because he  believes SB 36 "was  good."  "When and  if we get                                                               
the new report  with better data, then we'll take  a look at it,"                                                               
he  said, "but  this is  not the  time to  change SB  36 and  its                                                               
effect."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1252                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE asked Senator Wilken  to respond to the argument that                                                               
HB 312 is a temporary suspension of the funding floor.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN responded  that while he realizes  it is temporary                                                               
and "only a  million dollars," HB 312 indicates to  him that "the                                                               
old data  was better  data."   He said he  could not  accept this                                                               
premise.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1290                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS  asked whether supporting HB  312 was really                                                               
accepting  that  the old  formula  was  better  than the  new  or                                                               
affirming that the new formula has  some problems that need to be                                                               
worked out.   "Is saying we need to temporarily  suspend it for a                                                               
year really making  a such a drastic statement?" she  asked.  "Or                                                               
is it  really just recognizing -  and ... I think  there are some                                                               
positive  things  that  happened,  but I  think  there  are  some                                                               
mathematical flaws  in it currently -  ... we still need  to work                                                               
on it, [and] until we do, maybe we should suspend it."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1315                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN concurred  that SB  36 was  not perfect  and work                                                               
needs to be  done on it.   It was, however, a  "quantum leap," he                                                               
said, "ahead of where we were."   The transition was put in place                                                               
to  allow  for  a  "soft   landing"  for  [districts]  negatively                                                               
affected.   He  reiterated that  the data  upon which  SB 36  was                                                               
structured was "far better" than  that upon which the old formula                                                               
was based.  "If you accept the  fact [that] there was no need for                                                               
transition, then  you accept the fact  that the old data  was the                                                               
better data," he emphasized.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1370                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS  pointed  out  that HB  312  suspends  [the                                                               
reduction of the funding floor] for a year.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN responded,  "What you're saying, for  at least one                                                               
year, [is] that there's no need  for a transition."  He suggested                                                               
that there was a need for  transition from the old formula to the                                                               
new.  The change was an  improvement, he noted, and it has "shown                                                               
itself to be a very gradual  reduction" into the new formula.  He                                                               
stated  that was  "the deal"  that was  made [in  SB 36]  by both                                                               
parties and the governor.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1407                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON stated  that  high school  seniors in  her                                                               
district  received less  state funding  last year  than they  did                                                               
when they were first graders.   She said it is very difficult for                                                               
a school [district] to "go  backwards" in state funding and still                                                               
meet the ever-increasing mandates  and responsibilities placed on                                                               
it.   She noted  that [the  City of  Wrangell] funds  its schools                                                               
well above the mandated four mill rate.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1466                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN responded  that  he  couldn't address  particular                                                               
issues regarding the  [Wrangell City School District].   He noted                                                               
that Representative  Wilson had  broached a "global  K-12 funding                                                               
issue."   He  added  that  HB 312  doesn't  "help  or hurt"  that                                                               
funding matter.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON observed  that from  her perspective,  the                                                               
new formula is more complicated than the old one.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1530                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  asked whether Wrangell [City  School District] would                                                               
receive more or less  money as a result of HB 312.   He noted his                                                               
impression that  Wrangell would not  be impacted by this  bill in                                                               
any way.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1543                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEVENS  expressed  his appreciation  to  Senator                                                               
Wilken for all  his work over the  years on SB 36.   He asked him                                                               
to respond to  the [perception] that the  present funding formula                                                               
values rural, primarily Native,  students less than students from                                                               
larger communities.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  responded that a deal  was struck to pass  SB 36;                                                               
however, this deal  has since been "tarnished"  and "rolled into"                                                               
something called an  urban-rural divide.  He  added, "People seem                                                               
to forget  that ...  of the  14 ... or  15 school  districts that                                                               
received ... [a]  5 percent or greater increase  in their budget,                                                               
7 of  those were rural school  districts."  Since SB  36, Senator                                                               
Wilken offered,  state funding for  K-12 education  has increased                                                               
over 8.5 percent;  it is beating inflation.  He  said that he had                                                               
heard from constituents a lack of  trust in the [old] formula and                                                               
that he  thinks more legislators  trust this [new] formula.   Now                                                               
K-12 funding,  he suggested,  can be discussed  "on the  basis of                                                               
its need  for Alaska and not  how it plays into  a flawed formula                                                               
that was  put together under  rather dubious  circumstances under                                                               
pressure some ten years earlier."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1650                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  commented  that  a  $20  million  increase  to  the                                                               
Foundation Formula was included in SB 36.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1675                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEVENS said,  "Well,  that was  a ...  political                                                               
answer; ...  what I  was looking  for was a  clear statement.   I                                                               
believe  that  you  believe,  Senator Wilken,  that  we  are  not                                                               
valuing a[n] ...  urban, Caucasian student greater  than we value                                                               
a rural, Native student."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1695                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN replied:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     That  ...  conversation has  no  place  at this  table;                                                                    
     that's not  part of  this whole thing.   ...  What I've                                                                    
     suggested  to  you  today is  that  all  students,  ...                                                                    
     depending  on  size  of school,  location,  and  either                                                                    
     student   dollar  increase   or  population   increase,                                                                    
     receive  the  full dollar.    This  60/40 is  political                                                                    
     spin.  ... The  fact is,  ... everybody  gets the  full                                                                    
     dollar, the  full increase,  and the  transition dollar                                                                    
     is the  dollar that is  being taken away, eroded  by 40                                                                    
     percent a year.   ... Some school districts  will be on                                                                    
     the old  formula with [the]  transition dollar  for ...                                                                    
     somewhere  [around]  20 years.    Out  of the  32  that                                                                    
     started, I think 7 have now fallen off.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1739                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE said:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Some people have "demagogued" this.   ... In my view of                                                                    
     the formula,  ... every  student, everywhere  in Alaska                                                                    
     gets  100  percent.   The  old  floor,  the  artificial                                                                    
     support,  slowly   erodes  as  those   districts  grow.                                                                    
     That's how I  choose to look at it.   Other people have                                                                    
     chosen to say in  the headlines, "Well, Native students                                                                    
     are only worth 60 percent  of what a white student is."                                                                    
     ... That  is just  demagoguery, I think.   But  I grant                                                                    
     other people ... the right to a different view.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1772                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
EDDY  JEANS,  Manager,  School Finance  and  Facilities  Section,                                                               
Education  Support Services,  Department of  Education and  Early                                                               
Development, testified in support of HB  312.  He offered that HB
312 is  "directly in  line with what  the Education  Funding Task                                                               
Force has recommended to the governor."   He pointed out that the                                                               
task  force was  recommending suspension  of the  erosion of  the                                                               
funding  floor  because of  the  [pending]  district cost  factor                                                               
study.  He affirmed  that SB 36 is not perfect;  the area of cost                                                               
differentials is  one component  this legislature is  looking at.                                                               
The cost  study will be  submitted to the legislature  next year.                                                               
The desire to  suspend the erosion of the funding  floor is based                                                               
on  the forthcoming  study, he  stated.   "The Education  Funding                                                               
Task Force and the department  [do] not believe that it's correct                                                               
to  continue to  erode a  school district's  floor when  we don't                                                               
know  if  that  floor  was   established  using  the  right  cost                                                               
differentials," he concluded.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1856                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE emphasized  that some  districts'  funding might  be                                                               
reduced as a result of the new cost differential study.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS agreed.   He added that until  [new cost differentials]                                                               
are  known, the  Department  of Education  and Early  Development                                                               
(EED)  and  the  Education  Funding   Task  Force  recommend  the                                                               
suspension of that erosion.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1873                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON  noted  her   perception  that  for  rural                                                               
districts,  the  funding formula  takes  into  account such  cost                                                               
factors as  distance from urban  centers, school size,  and other                                                               
factors.   She  asked  Mr. Jeans  to comment  on  the impact  the                                                               
funding formula had made on rural districts.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1929                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  acknowledged that  Representative Wilson  was "hitting                                                               
right on" the district cost  factors.  Cost factors created under                                                               
SB 36  and those previously  used were based on  expenditure data                                                               
of the  school districts, he  stated.  A cost  differential based                                                               
on  an  expenditure  pattern  results in  a  replication  of  the                                                               
expenditure  pattern, he  stated.   Actual  costs,  on the  other                                                               
hand,  will be  determined in  the new  study by  calculating the                                                               
cost  of contracted  services from  Anchorage  provided to  rural                                                               
districts.   He  offered  that he  had  "a lot  of  hope for  the                                                               
outcome of the new cost study."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1965                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  asked if it was  the department's position                                                               
that it would  like to wait for the cost  differential study data                                                               
so that fiscal  impact on a district would be  lessened until "we                                                               
know where we're actually at."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS responded, "That would be an accurate statement."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1982                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  asked  if  Mr.  Jeans  foresaw  a  problem  if  "we                                                               
temporarily suspend  that and then  try to go back  and reinstate                                                               
it  - sort  of  like  the arguments  I've  heard,  'If we  hadn't                                                               
eliminated  the income  tax,  but only  suspended  it, it  [would                                                               
have] been easier  [to reinstate it].'"  He asked,  "Are we going                                                               
to  have the  same arguments  that 'brown  children are  worth 60                                                               
percent of white children' if this is put back in, in a year?"                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2000                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS  answered that  he  thought  this  would always  be  a                                                               
"perception  issue."   He observed  that  some districts'  floors                                                               
will take  a long time  to erode.   Others, by contrast,  are "on                                                               
the  edge"  and about  to  lose  the  funding  floor.   And  some                                                               
districts  have already  lost it  entirely.   He stated  that EED                                                               
believes that  it is appropriate to  wait for the results  of the                                                               
cost study before further damage is done.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2065                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE  JOHNSON,   Director,  Quality   Schools/Quality  Students,                                                               
Association of  Alaska School Boards (AASB),  testified that much                                                               
of what  he had planned  to say was outlined  by Mr. Jeans.   The                                                               
Association of Alaska  School Boards is in support of  HB 312, he                                                               
noted;  a suspension  makes  sense due  to  the forthcoming  cost                                                               
study.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2090                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE asked if AASB would  support HB 312 if the $1 million                                                               
had to come from the Foundation Formula.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSON  stated that  AASB's  position  was that  the  floor                                                               
should  be suspended  now; it  has not  discussed from  where the                                                               
money would come.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2119                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN  said he  wondered  why  this question  was                                                               
being raised  now, rather than  letting it  go one more  year and                                                               
then making necessary adjustments.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON replied  that it was important to see  the impact the                                                               
formula has had on districts, now that  it has been in place.  He                                                               
also noted  that no formula  is perfect and that  the legislature                                                               
attempted, in the waning hours  of the session, to put "something                                                               
together that [was] in the best  interest of everyone."  He added                                                               
that this may  or may not have happened.   He offered that basing                                                               
a cost differential on actual costs  is a flawed approach; a poor                                                               
district  will  [be allocated  less]  in  its differential.    He                                                               
commended the  legislature for  committing to  the new  study; it                                                               
will give  a true cost of  doing business because the  study will                                                               
give  a  "much stronger  platform."    He acknowledged  that  any                                                               
formula  will  have a  "mix  of  numbers,  ... studies,  and  ...                                                               
political realities."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2182                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN clarified  that he  wanted to  know why  it                                                               
took two years to raise this issue.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON  stated that the issue  was studied last year  by the                                                               
Education Funding  Task Force, which  made a  recommendation, but                                                               
no  action was  taken.   He said  that AASB  agrees with  Senator                                                               
Wilken's premise  that the  new formula  is "a  vast improvement"                                                               
over the old; it just needs some additional work.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2220                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE  pointed out  that since  the passage  of SB
36,  attempts  have  been  made  in  each  session,  through  the                                                               
amendment or  budget process, to  change it.   This is  the first                                                               
attempt through a piece of legislation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2245                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVE  JONES, Director  of Finance,  Kodiak Island  Borough School                                                               
District,  testified  via teleconference.    He  stated that  the                                                               
Kodiak district was  a "slight winner" in SB 36,  and will not be                                                               
affected by HB 312.  He  indicated that Kodiak could have "easily                                                               
been on  the other side  of [SB 36]  in dealing with  the funding                                                               
floor."  He said that the  McDowell Group study, upon which SB 36                                                               
was based,  "by its  own words,  admitted it  was not  a complete                                                               
study, ...  and it should  not be used  to base a  new Foundation                                                               
Formula on."  Mr. Jones  also supported the study currently being                                                               
conducted and thought it would  be "more complete ... and [would]                                                               
more truly reflect  the costs that are out there."   He expressed                                                               
his opinion that  the distribution of funds allowed for  in SB 36                                                               
was  "not equitable."   He  concluded by  saying that  the Kodiak                                                               
district supports  the removal of  "this floor" pending  the cost                                                               
study currently underway.  This  study, he noted, can correct the                                                               
inherent problems in SB 36,  and will result in "better treatment                                                               
of schools statewide."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2360                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JIM  SMITH,  Principal,  Galena City  High  School,  Galena  City                                                               
School District,  testified via  teleconference in support  of HB
312.  He  said that rural school districts, in  order to maintain                                                               
"an  adequate  program"  for  small  numbers  of  students,  have                                                               
experienced  increased costs.    The Galena  district, he  noted,                                                               
supports 70 boarding school students;  the boarding costs are not                                                               
"rewarded with any particular funding."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2408                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
VERNON   MARSHALL,   Former   Executive   Director,   NEA-Alaska,                                                               
testified in  support of HB  312.   He said that  NEA-Alaska has,                                                               
since the passage of SB 36,  supported "moving the benefit of the                                                               
supplemental floor  into these  districts that  are losing."   He                                                               
continued:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The million  dollars [removed  from the  funding floor]                                                                    
     that we're talking  about this year ... -  it'd be nice                                                                    
     to  say that  that million  dollars [removed]  is being                                                                    
     replowed  back into  K-12.   And  as  I understand  the                                                                    
     effects of  the floor,  that million  dollars [removed]                                                                    
     is  basically  subsidizing  the general  fund,  because                                                                    
     that million is not going to  K-12.  So, at some point,                                                                    
     where we  had a floor that  was valued at ...  16 to 18                                                                    
     million  [dollars], that  loss,  down to  where we  are                                                                    
     today, at about  $12 million, is a loss  to K-12 public                                                                    
     schools.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARSHALL continued:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     I also understand that the  floor operates on a premise                                                                    
     that  we  look at  prior-year  cost  and calculate  the                                                                    
     value of the floor.  And  I guess we as teachers have a                                                                    
     problem -  and support  personnel -  with the  issue of                                                                    
     costs, or  should we be looking  at what is the  aim of                                                                    
     schools; what have we set  as goals for public schools?                                                                    
     Because  during this  decade of  the '90s  ... we  have                                                                    
     supported  efforts   to  improve  standards   for  both                                                                    
     teachers and for students.   We have supported the idea                                                                    
     that we  ought to test  [students] at grades 3,  ... 6,                                                                    
     ... 8,  ... 10, and  establish variables for  kids that                                                                    
     graduate  at grade  12.   Those  are  goals, and  those                                                                    
     goals  have  costs  that ...  have  never  really  been                                                                    
     determined.  We have never  set down and costed exactly                                                                    
     what standards are valued at  in terms of people, time,                                                                    
     and money.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-2, SIDE B                                                                                                               
Number 2492                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARSHALL acknowledged that $1 million  might not be "a lot of                                                               
money,"  but he  noted it  could add  $24,000 to  a small,  rural                                                               
school  district.    He  said   that  money  might  be  used  for                                                               
curriculum  or  materials  directed  at  remediation  to  improve                                                               
student performance on standards and  tests.  He stated that NEA-                                                               
Alaska  believes that  inflation is  impacting schools  annually.                                                               
In spite of  increases to the formula,  NEA-Alaska believes there                                                               
is  an "inflationary  impact that  does hurt  our opportunity  to                                                               
deliver ... what's  best for our kids," he noted.   "Inflation is                                                               
the cruelest  tax of all," he  said.  "Every one  of our children                                                               
in Alaska is being taxed by  inflation, and the only relief we're                                                               
seeming to get now is a slowing economy."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2440                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARSHALL  pointed to the  "law of  large numbers."   He noted                                                               
that  monies slated  for school  districts and  calculated on  an                                                               
amount-per-student  basis  have  the potential  to  more  greatly                                                               
benefit  larger districts  such  as Anchorage  than smaller  ones                                                               
such as  Pelican.  "At some  point the law of  large numbers does                                                               
work for  you, and  smaller units  of kids  tend to  work against                                                               
you," he  said.  He  concluded by  noting that [HB  312] provides                                                               
for  a "transitional  phase-out"  while the  area  cost study  is                                                               
completed.   He commended  the legislature  for "stepping  to the                                                               
plate and dealing with that."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2380                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE   referred  to  an  illustration   provided  by  Mr.                                                               
Marshall.    He  stated  that  the  Anchorage  [School  District]                                                               
receives  local  support from  local  taxpayers;  he offered  his                                                               
opinion  that Pelican  is one  of  the districts  which does  not                                                               
receive local support.  He said  that "half the schools that will                                                               
be  impacted by  this bill"  do not  receive local  funding.   He                                                               
asked  Mr. Marshall,  "If we  gave the  schools the  entire state                                                               
budget, would you give back what you don't need?"                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2348                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MARSHALL replied,  "Yes, I  think we  would.   We've learned                                                               
through the  years not to be  greedy."  He stated,  "I do believe                                                               
the  money that  we invest  in  our most  precious resource,  our                                                               
children,  is probably  our greatest  economic edge."   He  added                                                               
that he  believes that money  invested in children  will generate                                                               
positive [results].                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2330                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE asked  Mr.  Marshall to  respond  to the  governor's                                                               
study which indicated  that the "vast majority  of Alaskans don't                                                               
think  just pouring  more money  in is  going to  make that  much                                                               
difference."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2320                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MARSHALL  stated  that  NEA-Alaska  conducts  polls  itself.                                                               
People in  Alaska, these  polls have  found, are  concerned about                                                               
and  willing to  contribute to  schools.   He stated  that Juneau                                                               
residents contribute to  schools through taxes "at the  cap."  He                                                               
suggested that  Juneau is  a better  place as  a result  of those                                                               
taxes.   He  added that  he believes  Alaska is  constitutionally                                                               
mandated to ensure  all students are educated,  and "it shouldn't                                                               
depend on  whether you  live in  Juneau or  ... Anchorage  or ...                                                               
Pelican  ...  or  Wrangell  or   wherever."    He  commended  the                                                               
committee for attempting to "make  sure that we have a first-rate                                                               
system throughout Alaska."   He concluded by saying,  "I think my                                                               
child in  Juneau, even though  I do believe there  are shortages,                                                               
has greater  opportunities through  the curriculum than  my child                                                               
might have if we lived in a much more rural district."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2252                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS  stressed the  importance of  clarifying the                                                               
issue  of state  funding relative  to  the existence  of a  local                                                               
contribution.   She  noted that  in districts  where there  is no                                                               
local  contribution,  the  state  pays the  same  percentage,  on                                                               
average,  as it  does  in districts  where  a local  contribution                                                               
exists.  She stated that  the federal government, through "impact                                                               
aid,"  pays  a  "great  deal  of that."    She  concluded,  "It's                                                               
incorrect to  say, 'It's only  out of the state  pocket,' because                                                               
it's  not.     It's  correct   to  say,  'There's  not   a  local                                                               
contribution.' ... I ... wish we would refine that argument."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2197                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN  asked  Mr.   Marshall,  "If  [the  funding                                                               
formula]  is  better  than  it  was, and  we're  waiting  for  a,                                                               
perhaps, change  in the  distribution, ...  wouldn't it  still be                                                               
better ...  to stay with [this  plan]? ... Why would  you want to                                                               
go back to a poorer [system of] allocation of funds?"                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2150                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARSHALL stated  that he thought there are  "some good things                                                               
in SB 36."   Nevertheless, he thought that there  were "some very                                                               
good  things  in the  instructional  unit,  too,"  he said.    He                                                               
indicated  he thought  the legislature's  initiation of  the area                                                               
cost  factor  study  "impacted  SB   36."    House  Bill  312  is                                                               
addressing those  adjustments to SB 36  [made as a result  of the                                                               
cost  factor   study]  which  will  significantly   impact  rural                                                               
districts.   He reiterated  that HB 312  suspends, for  one year,                                                               
the erosion of the supplemental [funding] floor.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2106                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN contrasted that  the [school funding] system                                                               
[provided for] in  SB 36 will remain the same,  while the numbers                                                               
will be  "tweaked."  He  acknowledged that there will  be changes                                                               
to the  system in the future,  but said, "I don't  understand why                                                               
you just suspend operations until  you get new numbers; you could                                                               
do that forever."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2065                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARSHALL  offered that  he didn't  know if  SB 36  provided a                                                               
funding  formula  "geared  to [the]  standards-based  educational                                                               
movement in  Alaska."  He pointed  out that this was  his concern                                                               
about  SB   36  and  would   have  been  his  concern   with  the                                                               
instructional unit formula as well.   He suggested that the state                                                               
might need  to revisit the  school funding [mechanism]  "in light                                                               
of the definite state expectations that  we have now set in areas                                                               
of reading, writing,  and math."  He noted  that expectations now                                                               
exist in  "virtually every area  of learning."  He  queried, does                                                               
the formula drive districts' efforts to reach those standards?                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2023                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE closed public testimony on HB 312.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2008                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER said,  "It is  really unfortunate  that we                                                               
have to have a discussion at  this table about the perception ...                                                               
that exists in  some people's eyes ... that SB  36 was an attempt                                                               
to  take  money away  from  one  set of  people  and  give it  to                                                               
another."   He stated that  he would support  HB 312; he  has the                                                               
utmost  respect  for Senators  Wilken  and  Therriault and  their                                                               
courage in  addressing the  challenge [of  school funding].   The                                                               
result,  he said,  is  a formula  that is  "90  percent the  best                                                               
formula that  this state  has ever  had."  He  noted that  HB 312                                                               
addresses a "very  small part" of SB 36; it  is not a repudiation                                                               
of SB 36.   He added that  the cost basis data  used to calculate                                                               
the funding floor was the only data available at the time.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1901                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER noted that this  data was based not on what                                                               
the  actual  costs were,  but  on  what districts  were  actually                                                               
spending.    Some  districts,  both   rural  and  urban,  weren't                                                               
spending  enough,  he  stated; some  districts,  both  rural  and                                                               
urban,  were spending  more than  necessary.   He confirmed  that                                                               
seven rural districts' funding  increased.  Representative Porter                                                               
concluded, "I  think this  is an  appropriate thing  to do  for a                                                               
year,  but  please  don't  ...   misunderstand:  ...    after  an                                                               
appropriate cost  differential study is  in place, the  chips are                                                               
going to fall where they may."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1850                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS  thanked Representative  Porter for  a "very                                                               
good summary."   She  referenced a recent  article from  the Rand                                                               
Corporation  and   said,  "The  accumulation  [of]   evidence  is                                                               
certainly sufficient  ... to replace  the 'money  doesn't matter'                                                               
hypothesis  with one  that states  that additional  money matters                                                               
for  students  from  less  advantaged  backgrounds  and  minority                                                               
students, but  may not for  students from more  highly advantaged                                                               
backgrounds."  She noted that  she keeps a collection of articles                                                               
on educational  finance and  these are  available to  members who                                                               
are interested.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1794                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON noted  her  agreement with  Representative                                                               
Porter's preceding  statements.  She added  that legislators like                                                               
herself who were not present during  the passage SB 36 don't have                                                               
an appreciation for  that courageous struggle.   She offered that                                                               
some  communities  are  unable to  contribute  to  their  schools                                                               
because they  lack resources and basic  infrastructure; the state                                                               
has an  obligation to areas  such as these.   This lack  of local                                                               
contribution is  compensated for  by the federal  government, she                                                               
added.   She countered  the argument,  "They're not  giving their                                                               
fair  share,"  with  the  idea that  some  places  simply  cannot                                                               
contribute.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
Number 1712                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEVENS  requested  information  about  the  cost                                                               
differential study's timeline for completion.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1685                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE stated his recollection  that it will be completed in                                                               
November 2002.   He observed Representative Porter  and Mr. Jeans                                                               
signaling their agreement with this date.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1666                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE stated  that he voted against  SB 36 because                                                               
of "this  provision."   He said  that the  House dealt  with many                                                               
[problematic]  provisions in  SB 36  when it  came over  from the                                                               
Senate.   The funding  floor, however, was  not addressed  to his                                                               
satisfaction, he indicated,  and he was unable to  support SB 36.                                                               
He noted that he was glad to see HB 312 "attempt to fix" SB 36.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1576                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE stated that he  strongly supports local contributions                                                               
to  schools, and  that any  contribution,  regardless of  amount,                                                               
would give ownership  [to residents].  He  noted Senator Wilken's                                                               
study  which  shows a  "significant  number  of communities  that                                                               
could  but  choose not  to"  contribute  to  local schools.    He                                                               
expressed  his  opinion that  the  funding  floor exists  because                                                               
"some  districts could  not justify  the amount  of funding  that                                                               
they previously  received," when compared to  student enrollment.                                                               
He  stated  his  preference  to  put  the  $1  million  into  the                                                               
Foundation  Formula  "for  the  betterment  of  all  of  Alaska's                                                               
students."  He noted that he would vote against HB 312.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1407                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER  moved to  report HB  312 out  of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1405                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE objected.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote was  taken.   Representatives Porter,  Wilson,                                                               
Stevens, Joule, and Guess voted  to report HB 312 from committee.                                                               
Representatives Green and Bunde voted  against it.  Therefore, HB
312  moved from  the House  Special Committee  on Education  by a                                                               
vote of 5-2.                                                                                                                    

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